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The XP alternative for Vista PCs
September 21, 2007
Large PC manufacturers were slated to have to stop selling XP after January 31. However, they have successfully lobbied Microsoft to allow them to continue selling PCs with all flavors of Windows XP preloaded until June 30, a further five months. Microsoft also plans to keep XP on retail shelves longer and will allow computer makers in emerging markets to build machines with Windows XP Starter Edition until June 2010.
The move indicates the continued demand for the older operating system, some nine months after Windows Vista hit store shelves.
In recent weeks, several PC makers launched programs that allow new PC buyers to more easily "downgrade" their Vista Business and Vista Ultimate machines to Windows XP. Fujitsu, which was among those lobbying for the change, has started including an XP restore disc in the box with all of its laptops running Vista Business.
"This allows the installed base of Windows XP users more time to manage the transition to Vista, which is important for some smaller companies with limited resources," Paul Moore, senior director of mobile product marketing for Fujitsu, said in a statement.
Dell also said it support's Microsoft's decision.
"We believe the additional time will help some customers to prepare for the transition from XP to Vista," the company said in a statement.
Microsoft, for its part, sought to downplay the impact of the move, disagreeing with the notion that there is still strong demand for XP.
"We wouldn't term it strong," said Kevin Kutz, a director in Microsoft's Windows Client unit. "We would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time."
Kutz said Microsoft had seen similar demand patterns with past releases and noted that in the past, old operating systems remained available for around 18 months after the release of a new operating system.
"While Windows Vista sales are still going strong...we recognize there are some customers that need more time," Kutz said.
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customers to it.
So customers continue to use an archaic XP that is showing its age
vs other OS such as OS X.
PS how's your $500 iphone doing??
Don't get me wrong I like Mac's OS X but it is not an Enterprise OS because Apple is shooting for the consumer.
Guess I will need to have them have me purchase an OEM copy for the two systems they need & configure them for XP as soon as I can get my hands on them. Guess will get that copy of Ghost to go with it... at least another $100 or more.
Let's see...their needs are modest...so about $500 a machine...$100X2 for OEM copy of XP & 1 copy of Symantic's Ghost...to about another $100. Hope Microsoft loves that extra $200 & Steve Ballmer can buy some more chairs to throw around.
investment' analysis. Spending a little more on a good machine
with a solid OS now may be worthwhile over time. I really don't see
why companies think they're going to get a whole lot of value out
of purchasing these stripped down machines prone to viruses,
spyware and other problems. Makes for a healthy IT industry that's
for sure.
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/vostronb_1500?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~tab=bundlestab
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/
Vista is a nice OS but let us be frank--we would all like to see XP around a bit longer b/c MOST of us only upgrade when buying a new PC. I don't really see the point of buying an OS upgrade b/c in another year or two, I'm probably going to buy a new PC with it pre-loaded.
MS knows that the Vista Upgrade is really not going to have the impact that business customers (who buy new PCs) will have; it is the demand that businesses and corporations will put on them, not the average Wal*Mart consumer. The consumer can buy whatever they want, however they want, and need not worry about compatibility and downtime like a corporation.
How long did Windows 2000 stick around for? My god, I thought it would never die... Besides, MS was never going to kill off XP but just the sale of new licenses--support is scheduled to last until 2016, I last heard.
Lastly, talk about a successful product--XP really has staying power when you consider the demand for this 6yr old OS.
Bugs, Viruses, and Spyware are common place, but then again you can't have 95% desktop market share and not have 95% of the bugs/viruses/spyware.
> market share and not have 95% of the
> bugs/viruses/spyware
You are a victim of MS FUD. If that was true it would also apply to the server market. Take web servers, where MS has an insignificant share, yet produce the most spectacular worms and hacks.
> of the bugs/viruses/spyware.
As of 2005, Windows and it's varients had 99.5% of the known
viruses. If you take Amiga out of the picture it was basically
100%.
As an aside, the Amiga had a miniscule market share back then,
and yet an extraordinarily high number of viruses. This
contradicts the assertion that small market share means that no
one will write viruses for a platform. That statistic alone
suggests that there might be another reason no one writes
viruses for Mac or Linux. Could it be that they are inherently
more secure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_statistics
Each (with the exception of HTML) all have SHORT, if any, sale time of previous versions. Microsoft is about the only company I can think of that keeps supporting old products, like Office and Windows. Mozilla did keep updates to 1.5 series for awhile, but still ended it much shorter than one might expect, and 2.0 still had 3 major flaws at that time, one which effected 1.5, and was the last patch to 1.5.0.x series.
You did get one part right... " To allow more time for applications to be developed that are Vista compatible." Though most programs are Vista compatable out of the box, some major ones do require some fixing (PS CS2 in x64, AV apps, etc). But note that drivers haven't been as much as an issue as we'd expect.
Privacy concerns; it is worrisome enough dealing with the new privacy regulations of HIPAA. Now Microsoft is insisting that it farm even more private data from PCs? It doesn't bode well with this industry.
DRM; Many hospitals have implemented PACS systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_archiving_and_communication_system) Are doctors and technicians going to allow Microsoft to degrade CRT, XRay, MRI, etc images if they look to be pirated movies because they may not be properly digitally signed or something? No health care provider I know of is going to take the chance.
Higher initial costs, higher cost of ownership, higher hardware requirements. Health care costs are high enough, why would any sane provider add to IT costs for a product that offers them nothing in return?
Practice management software vendor support; not a single software vendor that I am aware of is supporting Vista. About 25% of them will say "A few customers were able to make our app run on Vista, but we won't support it."
If Microsoft had a clue they would scrap Vista now, like they did with Windows ME, and start over. Maybe if they listened to what customers need and want they would have better luck. But all Microsoft cares about is jamming it to you and me, anything to maintain the monopoly via predatory practices ultimately harmful to consumers.
MS needs to stop selling Vista.
Since Win 3.x, each upgrade has been painful for business and end users of windows. Either face the new found "does my device work anymore" driver hell or buy new systems. Not to mention man hours for deployment.
While this looks good on MS balance sheets... it doesn't always look good for the rest of the business world. Or end users lost time and/or $.
Compare this cost to say the cost of Linux. Where is the bang for the $ MS?
replace Vista we're going to be seeing a lot of XP for years to
come..!
Other then a few ignorant fanboys, MS has had to apply pressure to try and raise the Vista adoption rate.
That alone should tell them to stop selling this piece of crap until it is ready.
I've already weighed the options, and have decided to use Macintosh systems. Clearly, an option that is a lot more viable at this time, and perhaps in the near future, for more of the masses.
Gamers are not going to switch either because the widely available games (with very few exceptions) do not run on anything other than Windows. Dual booting OS X and XP/Vista doesn't count as "a Mac can do that" because those games don't run on OS X natively. Booting in to Windows on a Mac to play games or use other applications does not make sense. If you have to boot in to another OS just to use something then you (not directly at you) should have stayed with your previous OS.
Mac's and *nix boxes will never have a chance to be any real competition to Microsoft or as an alternative to Windows until the commercial developers start building cross platform software. That's not going to happen when the "alternatives" have 5% or less of the market.
"Although Vista has it's problems, I think it's high time that Microsoft needs to scale back on price."
I totally agree but, I also think (as many do) that it's high time Microsoft does a total rewrite of the OS and say to hell with backwards compatability and gives us something COMPLETELY brand new and not 20+ years of the same crap.
cost of rewriting all the apps to run on Apple astronomical. If you can show me some figures to basck up that statement I'll change too
In our case, the steps necessary to run Vista were the same necessary to move to a non-Windows platform. Macs and Linux pcs are now just as compatible with our business as XP.
We're buying new computers, but very few of them run Windows.
I fully expect MS to have messed around with the command names, location in tool bars, etc that switching from 98SE to about anything would be easier than switching from 98SE to VISTA would, especially considering all the other programs that go along with the change and all the stupid bells and whistles in the default installations.
Umm... I believe that was the majority of your customer base.
Umm... I think you ought to listen to them!
I am a Vista user as well as an XP user. I really believe you should start reading the CNet articles also. You could learn something there. Such as a whole bunch of an element that would still like to be your customers. That is if you would only get their thinking right.
I heard a rumor that Vista was designed to turn customers off from using PC based operating systems. That they would come to prefer your Web Based initiatives coming up in the near future... Is their some truth to that? If so I am one who's going to be really turned off. Period!
With Vista, the "show stoppers" are not technical, instead for reasons due to MS's business decisions. Audio/video not playable unless MS gives you the OK. This list goes on, but perhaps the technical problems that due exist would be eased if it wasn't for the big brother tactics of MS in the operating system.
To get something that requires causes major additional
expenditure to get it to work or to get something that works.
I don't go out and buy a dog licence that forces me to upgrade
my dog.
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by NURREDIN
September 28, 2007 9:38 AM PDT
- I sick of Microsoft making these changes just to force people to purchase software they don't need. I can do everything I want to do with Windows XP, so why should I change if I don't want to and don't have to? Soon they won't support XP and I'll be forced to buy vista or a machine that has it pre-loaded. If I have to buy another machine, I swear it will be a Mac!
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- You and few million other PC users!
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by duggerdm
September 28, 2007 11:04 AM PDT
- I see more and more PC users expressing your same sentiments - one of them is me. However, after a year of using my wife's Mac and comparing it to my Toshiba Satellites performance, I have to admit that the Mac is far from problem free - or even more user friendly. There have been a number of serious hardware and software issues - not the same ones as with my PC - but different. I think that pretty much sums up my comparison between PC and Macs. If it wasn't for MS arrogance and manipulation of its customer base with Vista - I wouldn't say there was a significant advantage in switching to Mac. for general use (not just graphics). However, there is the arrogance and customer coercion with Vista and as such I will own a Mac before I ever own Vista.
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by cary1
September 28, 2007 12:34 PM PDT
- A month ago, I was handed over a used Macbook at work. My experience with it has been disappointing. I think Steve jobs has over-simplified everything.
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by close5828
September 28, 2007 2:45 PM PDT
- Wake me up when Apple figures out what Quality Control is...three Macbooks later, I'm done w/ their garbage.
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- What, like 2014?
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by catch23
September 29, 2007 7:16 AM PDT
- Support for XP will go for quite some time. MS just doesn't want to keep selling new OEM copies.
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See all 88 Comments >>A classic example is single button on touchpad. Imagine on a sunday morning you are sitting in your bed, using your laptop with a coffee mug in hand. You are going through some pictures you took yesterday with your digital camera. You see a video clip and you want to play it in VLC player instead of quicktime. Ofcourse, you can CTRL + click to open the context menu, but you have coffee in your hand (I could have given a better example, but people would report it as offensive). You see the problem here with Mac?
Another example: This actually happened to me.
Yesterday, I wanted to browse through the pictures on my digital camera and copy a few of them before I gave the camera to a friend. On a Windows machine, I would hook up my camera and it will show in My Computer. I can see files, select and copy the ones I want, delete the others... pretty simple. On a Mac however, I could not find the camera anywhere except in iPhoto. The only option it gave me was to download all the photos. I am sorry, but I not want all 2000 of them... Anyways, I had to wait for 15 minutes for it to download everything and delete the unwanted ones.
Anyways, I am going to install XP (unless I get my hands on Vista) on this Macbook and live happily ever after!
Gee, wait...there's a whole website dedicated to these issues...it's called www.appledefects.com .
iPod is the only thing that Jobs managed to squeeze out of his iSphincter and get right.
If your sick of changes and alterations forcing you to buy new (or upgrade) software, stay away from Apple. They offer a very narrow window of support for older systems. Far shorter then MS